
What happens when the systems we depend on weren’t designed for the realities of our lives?
That question sits at the heart of Jerome Deroy and Julienne Ryan’s conversation with public affairs strategist, leadership coach, and Well Woman Show host Giovanna Rossi on Leadership Story Talks.
Throughout the episode, Giovanna shares deeply personal reflections about growing up with a resilient single mother, navigating leadership as a caregiver herself, and helping women leaders build sustainable careers without sacrificing their wellbeing.
The conversation explores burnout, values-driven leadership, systems change, and the invisible pressures many women carry every day.
A Childhood Lesson in Resilience
When Jerome asks Giovanna about an experience that shaped who she is today, she immediately returns to a memory from childhood: sitting in the audience as a nine-year-old watching her mother walk across the stage to receive her diploma.
Her mother, a single parent, worked multiple jobs while raising children and putting herself through school. Giovanna recalls watching her build furniture for their home because the family couldn’t afford to buy it — not because she was a carpenter, but because she was determined to make things work.
That experience became more than a childhood memory. It became a lens through which Giovanna now understands resilience, leadership, and systemic inequity.
As she reflects in the episode, her mother’s strength existed despite systems that didn’t adequately support working caregivers.
“Work Like You Don’t Have Kids. Parent Like You Don’t Have a Job.”
One of the most powerful themes in the conversation is the impossible tension many caregivers experience — particularly women balancing professional leadership with family responsibilities.
Giovanna describes watching her mother navigate a world where she had to “parent like she didn’t have a job and work like she didn’t have kids.”
That conflict eventually became central to Giovanna’s own work.
Today, through her consulting firm Collective Action Strategies, her nonprofit Family Friendly New Mexico, and her Well Woman Life programs, she works to improve policies and workplace cultures that better support caregivers and families.
The conversation highlights an important reality many leaders quietly experience: burnout is often less about personal weakness and more about systems that demand impossible tradeoffs.
Burnout Often Begins With Misalignment
Jerome asks Giovanna how she personally manages the many responsibilities she carries — leading organizations, hosting a national radio show, coaching women leaders, and balancing family life.
Her answer begins with values.
“When my values are aligned with my actions,” she explains, “I’m in a state of ease and flow.”
But when actions and values drift apart, overwhelm often follows.
Giovanna describes burnout as something frequently tied to “other people’s urgent things.”
Caregivers especially can become consumed by invisible labor and constant urgency — responding to everyone else’s needs while losing sight of their own priorities.
Her Well Woman framework helps leaders distinguish between:
- What is urgent
- What is important
- What belongs to them
- What belongs to others
And while the framework is practical, the deeper lesson is philosophical: sustainable leadership requires clarity, boundaries, and alignment.
Leadership Isn’t About Perfection
Julienne Ryan raises another important insight during the episode: many women feel pressure to present themselves as endlessly capable, polished, and unaffected by the complexity of real life.
Giovanna agrees.
Women, she says, are often socialized to be both highly productive and highly nurturing while maintaining an image of perfection.
The result is exhaustion — and frequently silence.
Part of Giovanna’s work involves helping women reclaim permission to say:
“This is enough.”
That message resonates far beyond gender. It speaks to a broader leadership challenge in today’s workplace culture: how to lead effectively without sacrificing wellbeing, authenticity, or humanity.
Systems Change Starts With People
Although Giovanna works extensively in policy and public affairs, she repeatedly returns to one core belief throughout the conversation: systems change only happens when people are supported enough to lead.
She shares an example of working in women’s health policy, where organizations invested heavily in solving community problems — but the women leading those initiatives were themselves burning out under overwhelming demands.
That realization shifted her focus toward supporting leaders themselves.
Because if the people trying to create change are exhausted, unsupported, and overwhelmed, meaningful change becomes impossible to sustain.
Why Storytelling Matters in This Work
One of the reasons Giovanna created The Well Woman Show was to move beyond abstract policy conversations and amplify real human stories.
Stories make systems visible.
They reveal how workplace expectations, caregiving demands, burnout, and resilience actually show up in people’s lives.
And as Jerome reflects during the conversation, storytelling also helps leaders communicate their values in concrete, relatable ways.
Because values alone can become empty words unless they’re connected to lived experience.
Final Reflection: Leadership That Sustains Us
This episode of Leadership Story Talks offers an important reminder: leadership isn’t just about productivity or achievement. It’s also about sustainability, alignment, and care.
Giovanna Rossi’s work challenges organizations and leaders alike to rethink the systems we’ve inherited — and to ask whether they truly support the people within them.
Most importantly, she reminds us that meaningful change doesn’t happen through burnout.
It happens when people are supported enough to thrive.
To learn more about Giovanna Rossi and her work, visit her podcast interview HERE. You can also explore more conversations about leadership, storytelling, and communication at Narativ.com.
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