“It’s not about perfection, it’s about connection.”
Overview
What if growth isn’t supposed to look polished?
In this debrief episode, Jerome Deroy and Julienne Ryan reflect on their conversation with Nicolas Darveau-Garneau and his powerful metaphor: be a sequoia, not a bonsai.
A bonsai is carefully shaped, controlled, and aesthetically pleasing—but limited. A sequoia, on the other hand, grows wild and tall over time, shaped by its environment, weathering challenges, and drawing strength from deep roots.
This conversation explores what that metaphor means for leadership, storytelling, and organizational culture. From embracing experimentation and failure, to balancing structure with openness, Jerome and Julienne unpack how real growth happens—not through control or perfection, but through connection, listening, and lived experience.
You’ll Hear
- Why organizations that prioritize experimentation over perfection are the ones that truly grow
- How “messy” stories—especially the ones that didn’t go as planned—build trust and connection
- The hidden tension between control (bonsai) and organic growth (sequoia) in leadership and culture
- Why Narativ’s methodology balances both: structure that creates safety + space for authentic expression
- How storytelling isn’t the starting point—it’s the result of intentional listening and connection-building
- Why the real goal isn’t just telling a story, but being heard and acknowledged
- How drawing from past experiences—both positive and difficult—creates meaning and forward momentum
Resources
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- 🎧 Listen to the full conversation with Nick HERE
Here’s a link to the LISTENING LAB
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